Chapter 7August 21, 1971

And on the other hand, the mantra gives me a feeling of a mental imposition, you understand? It’s

not something that springs up from the core of the cells. It’s imposed. So it is set going for a time and is repeated – the mantra gets repeated the way any stupidity is repeated. And then after a time, something else comes.

(Mother remains silent)

One has the impression that unless there is literally a possession by something else, it’s hopeless.

It should be really like a possession.

Yes, possessed by the Divine. That’s perfectly correct.

That’s the only way.

(long silence)

These last few days (and quite strongly this morning) I have had the impression: the Divine is all things, and we are born so that each one makes a choice and manifests one of those things – one or several.... And so comes the question of deciding on the choice, but that’s just where one must surrender entirely and leave the choice entirely to the Divine. We have been created as we are, and that’s the reason for all this wavering, these complications – but what we have to learn is to leave it to... that is, have no desire, no preference, and leave the choice entirely to the Divine.

(Mother goes within)

Do you have something to ask?

I am wondering a lot what would have power over the physical mind.

How do you mean?

For instance, you set the mantra going and it repeats itself for a certain time, and then whoosh! it

goes off on a tangent and you get going on something else. I can’t make it steady. Or else I have to re-start the movement mentally, by force. By applying the mind.

I don’t know, for me it comes spontaneously. At times it’s very intense, very much in the forefront (depending very much on circumstances or the people present); at times it’s... like something very vast – very vast – and very tranquil (Mother extends her arms in a great Rhythm). When that is there... circumstances aren’t important, people aren’t important, everything is... all is calmly divine. At times it becomes powerful and active: that depends on the people, on circumstances, or on something that is happening somewhere which I come to know later.

I don’t know, I can’t say.... The Divine seems to be closely “associated” with all, all, with the whole sense of the physical world, so much so that it seems the physical would have no foundation, no continuity if it weren’t so. So I am unable to say.

Actually, I can’t make out the state I am in. I simply feel in expectation of something.

(Mother nods vigorously) Ah, of that I am sure!

(silence)

Now I am having some activities at night, completely new as I have never had before, extremely concrete and in which living people are mingled with those we call dead – and they are the SAME, they are the same there.80 For example, last night there was a very long activity with many people, and among those people was Purani (I see him very often); Purani had a major role, and M. and... (what’s his name?) D. – D. and M. were quarreling!81 (laughter) And one thing after another.... And I was like one of them, wearing strange clothes.

I am discovering a world I didn’t know, which is the world... I wonder if it’s not the vital physical? There were dances, movements.... That is, to put it in ordinary words: I have dreams such as I have never had before; only it’s not dreams, it’s an activity. It’s a world I was totally unaware of, and which is like this (Mother interlaces her fingers to show a sort of interpenetration of the physical and that world).

There are so many, so many things to learn.

Yes!

(silence)

Only those with a physical body have the kind of reactions – pleasure, displeasure – we have in physical life. The others no longer have it. That seems to disappear with the purely physical consciousness.

(silence)

More and more I get the feeling we know nothing. That’s all. That there is an infinite variety of things, and we know nothing.

80Mother means that there is no difference between the “living” and the “dead.”