Chapter 2December 8, 1962

Actually, what we call "dying"....

Death can be overcome only when it no longer has any meaning. And I clearly see a curve, a curve of experience leading to the point where death no longer means anything. Then we'll be able to say, "Now it no longer makes sense."

Only at that point can we be sure. That's why I have never been given any assurance, because it's only when one enters that consciousness that Death no longer makes sense.

We've still got a long way to go.

You said something mysterious the other day [December 41 concerning Sri Aurobindo's departure. You were speaking of the sense of impermanence you had, of total uncertainty, and you said, "It's no longer a destruction, but it's not yet an ascending transformation...."

It was a real physical destruction; so I am saying it's not that any more, but it's not yet the realization.

(silence)

(Mother laughs) I didn't tell you the other side.

What's the other side?

That's for later.

What do you mean, the other side?

No, what he seems to be giving me these days, since December 5, is a very clear vision and experience of why he had to leave. But that... it's not yet time to speak of it.

It wasn't for personal reasons but for reasons of work. I mean he considered (I knew it from the start; he had told me), he considered it better to leave his body, that it was the best way to do the work now. It was necessary.

But the time hasn't come to speak of all this, to give all the reasons, and it probably won't come for quite a while.

These past few days, he seems to want to make me see and experience all the terrestrial conditions that led him to that decision (that's the best way to put it).