Chapter 6September 15, 1971

Amritada left on January 31, 1969 and Pavitrada in May, May 16.

Oh, Pavitra left after.

You know, time and me....

Pavitra is here, he’s very active, he stays near me, I see him very often. Amrita I don’t see that much. Pavitra was absorbed into me and I put him back into a form little by little, and when he was completely formed, I brought him out and he stays very close here.

What does he do?

He meets people, he does all sorts of things.

What work does he do?

He meets people, talks, but he’s here, he hasn’t left the earth’s atmosphere. Amrita left to rest; Pavitra is here, in the subtle physical – that’s where Sri Aurobindo is and it’s a physical that has a strong tendency to materialize.

We’ll see....

Do you have something to say? You don’t have anything?

No, Mother, nothing encouraging.

(Mother goes within for a half hour)

Strange, there’s a child beside you. A child who must be between one and two years old – blond. And he is looking, he is putting his hand on your shoulder.... He’s.... He seems very, very intelligent.

(Mother goes back within)

No questions?

Who is that child?

I don’t know. He was European – not Indian.

It’s not my brother... who has left his body?

Ah, could be!

But is your brother blond?

Yes, when he was little, he was blond.

Oh, then it must be him.

But does that mean he has quit his body?

No.

Because he has taken a wrong course, you know – outwardly at least.

(after a silence)

He was conscious. The child was conscious.... Perhaps it was his psychic being which has left?...90 A total trust, you know (same wide-eyed gesture), like that.

Oh, but it’s peculiar, because he was blond when he was small [in Mother’s vision], and when he got big, his hair turned darker – I noticed that. He was about... about ten, maybe.

You see, it was total trust. He was very quiet, looking at you and looking at you... with total trust.

But it wasn’t the physical being.

Yes, I understand.

(silence)

It’s night in France at this time?

Now it must be.... It’s the early hours of the morning, it must be five or six o’clock in the morning.

Do you think he is sleeping at that hour?

Yes, certainly.

It means he would have a two-year old psychic being (you see, they don’t have age per se, only in terms of development). And he grew up at your contact.91 It’s interesting.

Is he younger than you?

Yes, physically I think he’s five or six years younger than I.... But he has completely taken a wrong course.

Yes. Did his psychic being leave him?... Maybe.

It’s quite possible.... I once saw him cut in half.

Oh!

Only the lower part remained.

Then that must be it.

And the last time I saw him, he was upside down, his head down and his feet in the air.

Ohh!...

He [the psychic being] seemed to be completely independent. And when he came – I saw him come – he was there beside you, he put his hand – his little hand – on your shoulder, and he looked at you like this (same wide-eyed gesture), and then slowly he grew and grew to about eight or ten years of age and then stopped. It is not a fully formed psychic being.... Perhaps it has left him. Perhaps he left it.

(silence)

Do you mean he has to go through another life to find his psychic being again?

Oh, certainly.

But once the psychic being has left someone, it doesn’t come back anymore?

Oh, yes, it can come back, but there must be a conversion.

There must be a conversion.

That the psychic came to you is a very good sign – it’s a very good sign, even for him. Because ordinarily, when the psychic being goes away like that, it goes back to the psychic world and rests until the next life. But he has remained conscious and came to you. That’s exceptional.

(silence)

We’ll see what happens.... Perhaps he’s sick? I don’t know.

Or else it left because the vital being (vital and physical) violently pushed it away.

91Once, several years ago, Mother had received both Satprem and his brother together, and they had sat at her feet, side by