Chapter 2July 10, 1971

Mon petit....

I feel I don’t want this anymore. It’s as if the mind didn’t want ANY of it anymore.

It’s the Mind we don’t want anymore – it should just keep silent and not interfere.

Yes, but at the same time it’s also a support – at least it WAS a support. I used to rely on it, it was

a kind of basis in the background, a basis of experience in the background. Well, that basis seems to be gone.

Yes, but there is another one that... another one I’ve just mentioned... and that one... mon petit, is beyond dream. The ordinary consciousness can’t imagine what it is. There are moments so marvelous... that the rest seems even worse.

(Mother goes within)

(Concerning a few words of Mother’s noted from memory by a disciple.)

“The harmonious moments in life are not a reward granted by the Divine. If life were

normally what it should be, everything would always be harmonious....”

Yes, when it’s harmonious we think, “The Divine is happy with me”! That’s what people think, but it’s not true: it is the NORMAL state.

“...It is because of our imperfections that it’s not; when the imperfections disappear, the

difficulties disappear at the same time.”

* * * A little later:

The experience in the body is very interesting. All so-called moral, intellectual, psychological suffering, in other words, the suffering of the consciousness that is not purely material, seems childish one; and it has such a horror of physical suffering, that is to say illnesses, accidents, that it wondered why, why the world exists like that.71 It then understood why some people don’t want to have a body anymore (that always seemed absurd before), it understood why. It was such an intense experience! It had an aspiration, something like a prayer, but it’s not a prayer: “May the world change! May the world change. It HAS to change – or else disappear.” The idea of disappearing had not come before, it seemed... it used to think that the world was moving towards a harmonious perfection; but, you see, it’s long – the length of time is terrible! There was an aspiration of incredible intensity for the transformation. Everything looks so dreadful because... because the transformation must, MUST take place. That anyone can be satisfied with a world like this is impossible – it’s impossible to a physical consciousness that is conscious of the Divine. It’s impossible, it absolutely has to change. And that was so vivid... I was gripped by it all night and all day, even while seeing people, with such an intensity: it must change, it must change....

The being, the inner consciousness can say and be conscious that that suffering is unreal, but the physical consciousness can’t – it can’t, it HAS to change. It’s not a matter of merging with a consciousness, leaving this physical consciousness to disappear: it has to change, it has to change.... I can’t put it into words, I can’t say it.

Yes, yes, I understand.

It is so very conscious that in all the worlds, even the vital world, everything depends on the attitude, and if you are in contact with the Divine, everything is fine, there’s no problem, but this (Mother touches her body), this physical suffering – cancer and all those things – it’s so concrete: It HAS to change, it has to change. It can’t be considered something one must “see in a different way.” It actually must change. You understand what I mean?

Yes, Mother.

In all the other domains, it depends on the attitude; here it doesn’t depend on the attitude – you may suffer more, suffer less, but.... The FACT has to change, you see. Because the world, the material world seen as it is, is a FRIGHTFUL thing.

You see, it is bearable due to the mental influence (vital and mental), but that influence is not enough, it has to be transformed.

Let me say it in a very down-to-earth way: for example, take a supramental being having the supramental consciousness, if his body gets cancer, it will remain cancer, you follow?... He may not feel anything, but only if he detaches himself from his body; whereas, for the transformation to be genuine, the body ALSO has to attain a harmony above – above all illnesses and accidents.

It is the only part. The other parts of the being can be transformed, can transform their consciousness while remaining what they are – but the physical body needs to change.

I don’t know whether it’s a passing experience or a final one – that I don’t know. We’ll see.

And yet with a supramental consciousness, it should be impossible to get cancer, for example.

Yes, but that means... it means the material substance is transformed.

I don’t know, that was the whole point.

That just seems impossible to me. I can’t imagine someone having the Truth-Consciousness and

being afflicted with a Falsehood.

(silence)

If there is a falsehood in the body, it means there is falsehood in the consciousness.

(silence)

I can’t imagine your getting cancer, for instance! That doesn’t seem possible to me.

Well, precisely.

It seems impossible to me.

Before, it was like that; before, I thought it was impossible. But I am not so sure anymore.

I don’t know.

Except if it came to you as an experience to be gone through or as something to be conquered for

the earth.

Yes, perhaps.

But it could only be a transitory phenomenon for the work, it wouldn’t be something really

striking your body. That doesn’t seem possible to me.

Yes, I too thought so.... It’s probably a necessary experience, a necessary phase.

You know, I always felt, always: if something isn’t right, it means that this something isn’t really turned to the Divine. And if everything is turned to the Divine, and obeys only the Divine, things will inevitably be harmonious. That was my conviction. But yesterday the experience came differently.

Probably it’s a necessary experience.

Yes, probably because your body is universal (at least terrestrial in any case), so it may come as a

phenomenon for the work, for a moment – it can’t be a personal phenomenon of your body.

No, my body is less and less personal.

Yes, that just doesn’t seem possible to me, you know.

Probably a phase to be gone through.